Husserl anyone ?

topic posted Sat, April 14, 2007 - 11:54 PM by  Jason Leary
The writings of Edmund Huseerl were brilliant--iasmuch as they opened up long overlooked areas of epistemology ---and sought to illumine the relationship between sensory phenomenon and knowledge in a systemic , linear manner .
It is a damn shame that the relativist/postmodernist ANTI-philosophers have tried to co-opt the thrust of what he wrote .
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Jason Leary
Florida
  • Re: Husserl anyone ?

    Tue, April 17, 2007 - 12:26 AM
    >>It is a damn shame that the relativist/postmodernist ANTI-philosophers have tried to co-opt c .

    -Care to back up that claim with something concrete? -Not to say you are wrong, but your claim is, at this point, little other than opinion...
    1) To whom do you refer when talking of "the relativist/postmodernist ANTI-philosophers"?
    2) Why are they ANTI-? (And what is the relevance/significance of your capitalization of that term?); and are all "relativist/postmodernist"s necessarily ANTI-, or are there some who would count (in your opinion) as 'genuine' philosophers? If so, what distinguishes the two camps that you have demarkeated?
    3) So they "have tried to co-opt the thrust...": How have they tried? Why are they wrong (in your opinion)? Have they succeeded or failed in their attempts? What is the significance of this?
    4) What was "the thrust of what he wrote"? (you indicated this in the previous sentence, but can a sentence really cover Husserl?)

    Start a conversation, and others may decide to join in with you; make a statement of what is clearly unjustified (although not necessarily unjustifiable) dogmatic opinion, and people will just ask "WTF?"
    • Re: Husserl anyone ?

      Tue, April 17, 2007 - 12:27 AM
      oops:
      I copied & pasted incorrectly: the 1st line should have read:
      >>It is a damn shame that the relativist/postmodernist ANTI-philosophers have tried to co-opt the thrust of what he wrote .
    • Re: Husserl anyone ?

      Wed, April 25, 2007 - 1:36 AM
      There is a problem here. I only vaguely remember Husserl right now; however, I do think that this thread is beyond reprehension of the writers. There is no good that can now be produced. You name call, and yet you expect a reply. Who replies to being called dogmatic. I am not sure you have a complete grasp of the internet.

      As for the 4th criteria of the response, the 4th criteria is mentioned in the writer's post. Yet if it is more information regarding Husserl's "thrust" you seek, why do you demand it. Why not tell the writer about Husserl's philosophy if you care about it?

      If you would like to start a thread regarding Husserl then do so, what you have done is killed this one.

      In point two, you assume that the writer is talking of two camps when it is quite clear that they are speaking only of one. If you were to mention a faction of a particular philosophical camp, at what lenth would you have to define it's opposision, and or, its relatives.

      The writer called a faction "anti-philosophers", but have you not the sense to flush out how that constitutes wrongness?
      There is a french doctrine on this topic which is alive today in the wake of philosphy being dead. It regards feeling and intuision instead of logic and reason. This s anti-philosophy: serbal.pntic.mec.es/~cmunoz1...hilos.pdf

      If you disagree with it, start a thread about it, don't kill the Husserl conversation with boring criteria of a marginally important sematical argument.
      • Re: Husserl anyone ?

        Fri, April 27, 2007 - 11:10 AM
        Thanks for your thoughts, August.
        If you reread the first post by Jason, you will see that no conversation is started: the first sentence is merely a claim about "the writings of Edmund Huseerl [sic]", the second a representation of the writers negative feelings ("it's a damn shame") towards "the relativist/postmodernist ANTI-philosophers."

        Jason does not defend the dogmatic opinion of his second sentence with anything substantial (and he comes across as precisely dogmatic, rabidly dogmatic; note that he does the same sort of thing in other posts, such as the "Philosophy v. Critical Theory" thread on this Tribe-and read the comments following his post too). "Who replies to being called dogmatic."[sic], you ask in a statement: anyone who can defend their position and is confident that they are not being so.

        You then write "You name call" - and then attempt to insult me about my familiarity with internet. Perhaps you are trying to be funny and ironic - but I am not sure that you have a complete grasp on your own writing.

        You then mention that the 4th criteria is mentioned in the writer's post - yet I acknowledged that in my parentheses; you then go on to acknowledge my acknowledgment, making your first point moot. You then go on to assume that I have feelings for Husserl's philosophy, that I "care" about it. For all you know, I dislike his work; contrariwise, I may think it is the best thing that ever happened to philosophy, and agree that "relativist/postmodernist ANTI-philosophers have tried to co-opt the thrust of what he wrote" - perhaps I have even stronger thoughts about them (or perhaps I think they are right). But how would I know to whom Jason was referring when he talked of "relativist/postmodernist ANTI-philosophers" without naming names?

        As for killing a thread, it was miscarried, and I tried to revive it by asking questions so that the original poster could rephrase and offer us something to work with; you, however, have turned it into a critique of my attempt to develop a conversation, and have therefore driven the stake between its phantom shoulders. I am merely playing with ghosts at this point, defending my post rather than talking about the original topic.

        >>"In point two, you assume that the writer is talking of two camps when it is quite clear that they are speaking only of one. If you were to mention a faction of a particular philosophical camp, at what lenth would you have to define it's opposision, and or, its relatives."

        ... If I say that I am anti-X, I have obviously posited X, and its negation. That adds up to two, by my count. In Jason's case, he was opposing the ANTI-philosophers to whom if not the (true or legitimate) philosophers? I asked question number two so that Jason might contextualize and situate his position, so that the rest of us would know where he stands, what he is defending and attacking. Without that knowledge, little intelligent can be said. As I said, a messy miscarriage.


        >>"The writer called a faction "anti-philosophers", but have you not the sense to flush out how that constitutes wrongness? "
        Well, I have opinions about what the term means, but they do not necessarily coincide with those of others (I think Jason is an "anti-philosopher"), including those of Palomo-Lamarca (the author of the essay to which you referred me). Note that you say "this s[sic] anti-philosophy," dogmatically asserting that Palomo-Lamarca's view is the only one ("is", as opposed to "is a position on, and defining of"). Besides, people have been accused of being anti-philosophers for aeons - usually by persons for whom any challenge to their dogmatic worship of their crystallized image of thought is frightening. Such persons are, in my opinion, more deserving of the title anti-philosopher than those they seek to repute. Their view of philosophy is so rigid that they cease to do philosophy, and sometimes try to asphyxiate it.

        >>"If you disagree with it, start a thread about it, don't kill the Husserl conversation with boring criteria of a marginally important sematical argument."
        By "it", I assume that you mean "anti-philosophy" - if so, I've already explained why I posed my questions: I wanted to know what Jason meant by that term so that I could *then* engage in meaningful conversation about Husserl. As for "boring criteria of a marginally important sematical argument" [sic. again, try a spell checker next time - they've been around even longer than public use of the internet], I have responded to that in various ways herein. And were you to reread Jason's post, you would note that he wrote two paragraphs: (1) "The writings of Edmund Huseerl [sic[ were brilliant" (a statement - had Jason asked "What do you think is brilliant about Husserl's writings?" we would have had a conversation-starter); and (2) a claim about ANTI-philosophers. So all that I had to go on was that he likes Husserl and dislikes ANTI-philosophers. I like ice-cream, but I don't like salmon. So what?
        • Re: Husserl anyone ?

          Fri, April 27, 2007 - 8:26 PM
          thread this: ANTI-"X"; and do it anylitcal philosophy.
          It is messege board conversations like this that remind me that I am writing on an open forum on the internet.

          I think you are an intellegent person, don't get me wrong, sometimes conversations such as these break down shortly after they become meaningful.... this one didn't really even get that far.

          I remember Husserl being the mentor of Heidegger, and somehow being, or having philosophy that was considered anti-semitic.... Oddly enough Heidegger was a jew.... is that anti-x enough regarding Husserl for you?

          keep it on topic,
          everyone on this forum is into philosophy, we at least have to agree about the subject.
          • Re: Husserl anyone ?

            Fri, April 27, 2007 - 8:43 PM
            i appologise, i clearly have an epistomological problem: Husserl. I am interested in an oft vaguely explained individual. I clearly do not know what anyone on this thread thinks of Hussel, other then some apparent near non-sense, and clearly people aren't interested in discussing what they know, but rather that they could know.

            please understand, I am happy for the mis-misunderstandings anyone might have, and sad for the understandings that we never got our feet on. I really shouldn't have written a thing about this, I wished I hadn't even opened the page....

            seriously sorry,
            August Applethorne

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