The Shopenhauer Cure

topic posted Thu, February 10, 2005 - 9:25 AM by  delachaux
Did anyone catch Irvin Yalom's commentary on Shopenhauer the other night on KQED's Forum?
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delachaux
SF Bay Area
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    Thu, February 10, 2005 - 10:06 AM
    I saw the presentation in San Francisco that was recorded for that broadcast. Good stuff .. Yalom's the bomb.

    I picked up a copy; haven't read it though.
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      Thu, April 7, 2005 - 4:52 PM
      I have now read the Schopenhauer Cure, and I want to share my findings. It was awful. Terrible.

      I love Yalom's work in psychology, but he is a poor philosopher and an even worse novelist.
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        Sat, June 25, 2005 - 4:09 PM
        i'm so sorry you didn't enjoy the book. for anyone to really get it he/she would have to be fairly familiar with group process (group therapy) to understand what they were alowed to experience in that novel. a niche novel for sure. but for some of us yalom is the bomb. try "when nietszche wept". a sure winner for you, hopefully...

        donna
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          Sat, June 25, 2005 - 4:31 PM
          I can assure you that I 'got' the book, thank you.

          Yalom's academic writings are extremely strong and valuable, but as a student of literature I would say he is a crude and ineffectual novelist. My primary gripe with the book is that all of the characters are flat. There is only one point of view in the novel's universe, and by coincidence it happens to be the point of view that the author espouses in his academic writings. The 'development' of the characters consists in moving from not agreeing with the author's point of view to agreeing with the author's point of view.

          I would add that the author's self-depiction is a testimony to extreme hubris. I have never before encountered a novel in which the author describes himself so glowingly.

          Last gripe - as a student of Buddhism I was deeply put off by Yalom's ill-informed, dismissive caricature of Buddhism, and his borderline-racist depiction of Indian culture.
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            Sun, June 26, 2005 - 2:39 PM
            hello barnaby,

            i agree that yalom is espousing a point of view that is also espoused in his academic work, but since his academic work is extremely strong and valuable, well... i thought that his flat characters were precisely brilliant. i felt he captured the agonizing dullness of much of what goes on in group therapy, the palpable "work" of it, as well as shared with us those flashes of insight and growth that the process invariably can facilitate. i think the book would make a great movie--maybe some hollywood screenwriter could jazz it up a bit.

            i don't remember anything about his self-depiction or the references to buddhism. i'll have to go back and check that out.

            P O,
            donna
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              Mon, June 27, 2005 - 8:19 AM
              Hi Donna

              Huh .. I think his flat characters are just bad writing myself, but that's an interesting perspective.

              The whole Buddhism thing occurs in his description of the Goenka Vipassana retreat that occurs early on in the novel. As for his self-description, did you not notice the ebulient way that his character is praised by everyone who knows him throughout the book? It seems to me that that's not the most tactful thing to do when the protagonist is a thinly-veiled version of yourself.

              In my read of the novel, that went with the problematic flatness of the characters and the two-dimensional critiques of other existential philosophies (Buddhism) to show an authorial voice that can't depict a world with multiple points of view. I don't see a serious challenge to any of the conclusions that Yalom has come to in his other writings on any subject, including life, death, religion, meaning, or growth. I think he can't see beyond the horizons of his own beliefs, which is fine for an academic but lethal for a novelist.
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                Mon, June 27, 2005 - 11:30 PM
                oh yes, the early part, where one of the characters has gone on the retreat. well, i do think he was a bit heavy handed there. he probably has issues around people going to the ends of the earth to "find" enlightenment. he probably also has issues with the exploitation that can sometimes occur in that context. i didn't feel he was dissing buddhism in general. as for the self-description, don't many people treat their therapists as gurus? i thought that rang true. i recall that the therapist worked through quite a few of his own issues throughout, gained insight, overcame his own biases by the end. i found him open and vulnerable.
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                  Tue, June 28, 2005 - 8:33 AM
                  Interesting! It seems like a disagreement of style. Well, if you found the book useful, more power to you.

                  I found Existential Psychoanalysis very helpful, and I enjoyed Love's Executioner and The Gift of Therapy very much, so I'm certainly in favor of Yalom over all. There's no question that he is brilliant and articulate.
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            Fri, November 17, 2006 - 3:25 AM
            I have to wonder about an analyst who in late middle age is still so utterly enthralled by death anxiety.
            It's refreshing in a way, but it's also a kind of tip-off. Sort of like a Johnny One-note.

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